1 00:00:00,299 --> 00:00:03,049 (cheerful music) 2 00:00:05,730 --> 00:00:06,880 - Hey, I'm Thomas Zurbuchen, 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:08,130 and the head of science at NASA, 4 00:00:08,130 --> 00:00:10,670 also known as Dr. Z. 5 00:00:10,670 --> 00:00:14,070 - And I'm Ellen Stofan, also known as Dr. E. 6 00:00:14,070 --> 00:00:17,490 Welcome to another episode of E.Z. Science. 7 00:00:17,490 --> 00:00:20,330 So, Thomas, we're here at the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center 8 00:00:20,330 --> 00:00:22,320 in Chantilly, Virginia, 9 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,530 at the tail of the Discovery space shuttle 10 00:00:24,530 --> 00:00:27,390 because we're celebrating a very special anniversary. 11 00:00:27,390 --> 00:00:28,223 - That's right. 12 00:00:28,223 --> 00:00:30,720 I just talked to my kid who just started college. 13 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,370 He's 18 years old and astronauts have been in orbit 14 00:00:34,370 --> 00:00:36,310 for his entire life. 15 00:00:36,310 --> 00:00:38,660 There has been an American in the space station 16 00:00:38,660 --> 00:00:41,540 and international partners during this same time. 17 00:00:41,540 --> 00:00:43,070 For 20 years, 18 00:00:43,070 --> 00:00:44,880 the space station has been inhabited. 19 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:46,440 And what an amazing anniversary 20 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,630 of international cooperation. 21 00:00:48,630 --> 00:00:50,860 The six bedroom building up there, 22 00:00:50,860 --> 00:00:52,940 the length of a football field or so, 23 00:00:52,940 --> 00:00:55,800 inhabited and doing science. 24 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:56,633 - It's incredible. 25 00:00:56,633 --> 00:00:57,840 And we feel a really close connection 26 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:59,300 to the International Space Station, 27 00:00:59,300 --> 00:01:01,550 because about a third of Discovery's missions, 28 00:01:01,550 --> 00:01:03,280 were helping to construct it. 29 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,150 There's modules on the space station from the United States, 30 00:01:06,150 --> 00:01:09,430 from Japan, from the European Space Agency and Russia. 31 00:01:09,430 --> 00:01:13,160 And it's such a great example of international cooperation, 32 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,440 how even though sometimes we don't get along here 33 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:16,273 on the ground, 34 00:01:16,273 --> 00:01:18,480 we can literally go to a higher plane 35 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,170 and find a way to cooperate. 36 00:01:20,170 --> 00:01:24,180 - That's right, 240 astronauts from 19 countries. 37 00:01:24,180 --> 00:01:26,780 Nearly 3000 experiments and many of them of course, 38 00:01:26,780 --> 00:01:27,870 on the inside, 39 00:01:27,870 --> 00:01:30,790 but we have multiple experiments from three disciplines 40 00:01:30,790 --> 00:01:33,080 hanging from the outside of the space station. 41 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,520 I'll pick up one, the structure of neutron stars. 42 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,030 The internal structure of that 43 00:01:38,030 --> 00:01:40,520 is measured by the NICER experiment. 44 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,400 And that is right now taking measurements 45 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,240 of x-rays in the sky from the space station. 46 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:48,073 - That's amazing. 47 00:01:48,073 --> 00:01:49,940 And, you know, my favorite experiment is, 48 00:01:49,940 --> 00:01:51,510 actually it has to do with human health. 49 00:01:51,510 --> 00:01:52,930 And I think a lot of people don't realize 50 00:01:52,930 --> 00:01:54,830 how much research has been done 51 00:01:54,830 --> 00:01:56,810 on the International Space Station 52 00:01:56,810 --> 00:01:58,140 around human health. 53 00:01:58,140 --> 00:02:01,070 You know, almost half of the Apollo astronauts 54 00:02:01,070 --> 00:02:02,930 either got an infection in space 55 00:02:02,930 --> 00:02:05,160 or got an infection soon after they returned. 56 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:06,310 Because what we've discovered 57 00:02:06,310 --> 00:02:08,560 is that when you put humans in microgravity, 58 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,110 their immune system doesn't function as well. 59 00:02:11,110 --> 00:02:13,030 And we've actually done enough experiments 60 00:02:13,030 --> 00:02:14,620 on the International Space Station 61 00:02:14,620 --> 00:02:17,370 to realize it's the T cell part 62 00:02:17,370 --> 00:02:20,200 of your immune response in your body 63 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,000 that's being suppressed. 64 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,600 Now, that's fascinating because we can use that information 65 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,050 to better understand how our immune system works. 66 00:02:29,050 --> 00:02:31,350 And obviously right now in the time of COVID, 67 00:02:31,350 --> 00:02:33,920 that's really important information. 68 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:36,150 - The other thing that I think about a lot is, 69 00:02:36,150 --> 00:02:37,986 and I actually talked to astronauts about it 70 00:02:37,986 --> 00:02:39,730 who have been up there for substantial times, 71 00:02:39,730 --> 00:02:42,970 is the importance of this experiment called Veggie. 72 00:02:42,970 --> 00:02:44,260 It sounds just how what it is, 73 00:02:44,260 --> 00:02:46,810 it's actually growing plants in space. 74 00:02:46,810 --> 00:02:48,970 And what's really exciting is for them, 75 00:02:48,970 --> 00:02:50,470 you know, we know psychologically 76 00:02:50,470 --> 00:02:53,320 that's really an important part of a livable environment 77 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,200 to have plants green that live there, 78 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,070 and frankly, also that they can eat. 79 00:02:58,070 --> 00:02:59,450 And they'll offer, especially, 80 00:02:59,450 --> 00:03:02,140 some of the very spicy plants that are out there. 81 00:03:02,140 --> 00:03:05,480 But a lot of our research is being done with these plants 82 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:06,800 to just really learn how, 83 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,870 of course, as we prepare for longer duration travel, 84 00:03:09,870 --> 00:03:11,990 how we can use that kind of platform 85 00:03:11,990 --> 00:03:15,000 to grow food and to have that livable environment. 86 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,000 - Yeah, it was funny when I talked to Scott Kelly, 87 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:18,880 after he came back from his year in space. 88 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,500 He talked about how much growing flowers in space, 89 00:03:21,500 --> 00:03:23,610 how much that meant to him in that long year 90 00:03:23,610 --> 00:03:26,070 that he was up on the International Space Station, 91 00:03:26,070 --> 00:03:28,490 which reminds me of one of the most important things 92 00:03:28,490 --> 00:03:29,860 we use the ISS for, 93 00:03:29,860 --> 00:03:31,560 that we haven't mentioned. 94 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,600 This whole issue of learning to live in space 95 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,770 is critical for getting humans, 96 00:03:36,770 --> 00:03:38,070 not just back to the moon, 97 00:03:38,070 --> 00:03:39,230 but onto Mars. 98 00:03:39,230 --> 00:03:41,240 It's that seven month journey to Mars, 99 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,200 time on Mars, time back. 100 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:44,480 The International Space Station, 101 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,330 we've been using it as a platform 102 00:03:46,330 --> 00:03:48,530 to get humans ready, 103 00:03:48,530 --> 00:03:50,510 to get our technologies ready 104 00:03:50,510 --> 00:03:52,890 to go further out into the solar system. 105 00:03:52,890 --> 00:03:53,753 - That's exactly right. 106 00:03:53,753 --> 00:03:56,920 There's a number of experiments going on right now 107 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:58,340 on the space station 108 00:03:58,340 --> 00:04:00,460 that are really about life support systems 109 00:04:00,460 --> 00:04:02,360 that we want to use to go beyond, 110 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,440 go to the moon first as part of the Artemis program. 111 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,040 And of course, we have one eye on Mars already 112 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:09,270 because of course, 113 00:04:09,270 --> 00:04:11,870 robotically we're on the way there with perseverance, 114 00:04:11,870 --> 00:04:12,703 but with humans, 115 00:04:12,703 --> 00:04:14,840 we want to follow and go there also. 116 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,150 And yet that space station will forever be 117 00:04:17,150 --> 00:04:18,020 in the history of that, 118 00:04:18,020 --> 00:04:20,980 because the technologies were really developed right there. 119 00:04:20,980 --> 00:04:23,040 - The ISS has been an incredible platform 120 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:24,800 for student experiments. 121 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,810 So, every year at any given time up on the ISS, 122 00:04:28,810 --> 00:04:30,210 there are experiments going on 123 00:04:30,210 --> 00:04:31,680 that were sent up there by students, 124 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:32,740 high school students, 125 00:04:32,740 --> 00:04:35,090 even elementary school students at one point, 126 00:04:35,090 --> 00:04:36,160 college students, 127 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:37,950 it's an incredible platform 128 00:04:37,950 --> 00:04:40,510 to let students get that first understanding 129 00:04:40,510 --> 00:04:41,750 of how does science work? 130 00:04:41,750 --> 00:04:43,330 How do you design an experiment? 131 00:04:43,330 --> 00:04:45,830 How do you get a result and what do you do with it? 132 00:04:45,830 --> 00:04:46,880 - That's exactly right. 133 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:48,050 And for me, 134 00:04:48,050 --> 00:04:49,580 kind of when I think of the space station, 135 00:04:49,580 --> 00:04:52,750 I think of it as a victory of the human spirit 136 00:04:52,750 --> 00:04:55,110 and to coming together as the earth as one, 137 00:04:55,110 --> 00:04:56,670 explore as one, 138 00:04:56,670 --> 00:04:57,820 both on the human side, 139 00:04:57,820 --> 00:04:59,180 but also the scientific side. 140 00:04:59,180 --> 00:05:01,850 So, I just really wanna congratulate the entire team 141 00:05:01,850 --> 00:05:03,740 that has been part of that, building it, 142 00:05:03,740 --> 00:05:05,820 but also doing the entire 20 years, 143 00:05:05,820 --> 00:05:08,990 running this highly complex machine internationally. 144 00:05:08,990 --> 00:05:09,823 And I look forward 145 00:05:09,823 --> 00:05:12,100 to everything we're gonna learn in the future as well. 146 00:05:12,100 --> 00:05:13,900 - It's an incredible success 147 00:05:13,900 --> 00:05:15,860 and we can't congratulate enough 148 00:05:15,860 --> 00:05:17,870 the International Space Station team 149 00:05:17,870 --> 00:05:18,930 and all the countries, 150 00:05:18,930 --> 00:05:20,950 the European Space Agency, Russia, 151 00:05:20,950 --> 00:05:24,520 obviously the US and Japan who've been the key core heart 152 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,430 of the ISS team. 153 00:05:26,430 --> 00:05:28,650 Well, I think we're just about out of time. 154 00:05:28,650 --> 00:05:31,350 Thank you for joining us for another episode